Thursday, October 11, 2007

The Number is Eight

I have been sexually assaulted more than once. Each time that it happened to me, I felt that extenuating circumstances kept it from truly being rape. I was working as a prostitute, he was my boyfriend, I was drunk, I got in the car. I never believed that I had fought hard enough. I made excuses for the men who hurt me; I told myself "he didn't know what he was doing." When I spoke about my experiences with sexual assault (which I did very rarely), I would say only that “a lot of bad things have happened to me.”

After reading the responses to this post on Jezebel, it occurred to me that I do not know the actual number. I lost track of how many times I had been violated because I did not call them by name. I did not call them by name because I blamed myself. Because I did not name them, I could not fight.

Now I realize that the following occurrences are not hazy or ambiguous. They are assaults, crimes that come to a specific number. No matter what mistakes I made before or after. I have gotten drunk many times. I have had many boyfriends and gotten into many cars. The only times I was raped were when the man I was with was a rapist.

THE LIST:

1. Danny
He was my best friend’s boyfriend, and he took my virginity when I had not yet decided to give it. Still a Christian, I was saving myself for marriage. He took advantage of my crush on him, the fact that I was willing to come over later at night, and the fact that I wanted to kiss him. He ignored me when I said no and I felt ashamed that my inexperienced body responded. I was 13 or maybe 12. He smiled and walked me home afterward, singing songs to “cheer me up” while my bloody underwear was balled up in my pocket. It was the first time a boy ever told me I was beautiful, and I remember the unexpected shock of those words as well as I remember the weight of his arms on mine and the too-hard grind of his teeth against my nipples. When I told his girlfriend, my best friend, what had happened, she did not believe me. I learned my lesson then about rape. It is slippery and hard to see. I decided I had blown the whole thing out of proportion.

2. Matt, Chris, Danny, and others
Matt and I went to school together. After the dismissal bell rang, we would walk over to his house. His friends were older; in their 20s at least. I can’t remember all their names. One day we were all playing around with a pair of handcuffs someone had found. But when I put them on, hands behind my back, no one would give me the key. They circled around me, touching me. One of them offered me a drag of his cigarette, and Matt said, “Don’t give her anything.” I said I had to get home before my parents came home from work. They pulled my top off. Matt said he would let me go after I sucked them all off, starting with Danny. “And no penguin head, either,” he said, meaning that I wasn’t to leave them with their pants around their ankles. I only gave one guy oral sex before they let me go. Not everyone touched me, but none of them stopped it. I blocked this entire incident out of my memory for a year or two, until one day it came rushing back to me.

3. Chris
I was 14 and he was 21. I believed him to be my boyfriend, and only a decade later understood that our age difference meant I had been molested. When I was not in the mood to have sex, he would rape me. Once he raped me in front of a friend, who did nothing to stop it.

4. Robb
He may be the most evil person I’ve ever met. I was 16 and he was 28; we met online and I secretly made the hour and a half drive to spend the night with him. We began dating, although he refused to be monogamous, even having me drop him off at other women’s houses. One day I cut school, came over, and we fucked all day. Halfway through he started slapping me. We had played this game before, but he took it too far. I began to plead with him and he hit me harder. I said no, and he fastened his hands around my neck and choked me with eyes that looked cold. I believed he was going to kill me when I passed out. I came to and he was raping my ass instead. Afterward he told me, “The fear in your eyes made me want to cum and cry at the same time.” I went to school the next day with bruises on my jaw and broken blood vessels on my neck.

5. Dan
I also met him online and came over to his house. I was a teenager and he was an adult, and I now realize, a predator. At the time I just thought we were on a date. Instead he held me down and fucked me while I struggled. When he came he pushed my head down so far on his dick I choked. I wondered why he never called me again.

6. ?
I don’t know his name. I was working as a prostitute when he raped me. I consented to vaginal sex with him and he forced me into anal sex. He put a belt around my neck. “Shh,” he told me. “You’ll like it. Kiss me, relax.” He paid me. I left.

7. Chris
I drunkenly came home with him. Two other girls came too. My head was drooping as they all chattered in the living room. I went to the bathroom and threw up, then stumbled down the hall and passed out on his bed. I woke up with him on top of me. I would see him out afterward, talking to other drunk girls. I always pulled them aside and told them that he had date-raped me, so I’m probably not his favorite person. I later found out he is a high-school teacher.

8. ?
I was leaving an event I had organized. It should have been my moment of celebration. I was drunk, had probably had a line of cocaine, and thought taking a cab home was the safe option. The driver talked me into the front seat with a lame excuse about how he wanted to read my palm. Then he put his hands down my shirt, up my skirt. He told me he could tell I would be “heavy” someday. I said “No, stop.” He drove down dark alleyways touching me, looking for a place to pull over. I begged him to take me home, and finally he did. I didn’t pay.


I didn’t press charges any of these times. Some of them I didn’t even tell anyone about. I am posting this not to revel in my bad experiences, but to show that the real circumstances of real rape don’t always look like we think they should. Rapists are not just evil men who jump out of the bushes. Rape can happen even if you were drunk, even if you stayed still instead of kicking and biting, even if you had an orgasm, even if you liked the guy, even if you had consented to sex with him previously. The lies we are told about what rape silence us. If we aren’t even sure that we have been raped, how can we seek justice?

If all people who have been assaulted would stand up and say, “I have been raped” instead of blaming themselves, more rapists would be punished. So for that reason I am telling all of you that I have been sexually assaulted 8 times. I hope it never happens again, but if it does, I will call it what it is. And I will press charges.

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sir jorge said...

that's a lot of stuff to keep in ones head....wow...

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry you had to suffer these experiences. They say "Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger," but this--well, I hope you remain strong somehow. But I hope no one, including you, ever suffers this way again. It is, as the linked post says, pure evil.

Anonymous said...

How much do you think these early sexual assaults led to your later decision to become a prostitute? You've said before that you were tired of being poor and that you had sex with dudes for free, so why not charge, but do you think this may be an underlying cause? I'm not trying to get all armchair psychologist on you or anything, but it seems like you may have had a lot of shame issues and choosing prostitution and controlling your encounters may have been a way to deal with these.

-k

Anonymous said...

You deserved better. It wasn't your fault and I am sorry that you have suffered these terrible experiences. Keep writing; you've got talent and honesty on your side.
-w

moprix said...

I am sorry you had to go through that. I am sorry those men hurt you.

There are several studies in Costa Rica that directly link sexual work with assault at an early age and a history of sex-work in the family. I know this is no comfort to you, but it might set you thinking.

The fact that you could put things down in writing is awesome. You have taken a big step in your life.

Katie said...

I was raped too and like you didn't press charges.
My number is 4.
Like you, my first was my virginity being taken at a very young age. I am so sorry this happened to you too.
I wont go into the others but I do want to say thank you. Thank you for having the strength to tell your story, to share yourself and love yourself enough to say, no more.
k

Anonymous said...

I was raped too. I was five. He was my babysitter's boyfriend. I never told anyone until I was eighteen. Thank you for writing about your experiences. I know how tough talking about it can be. Knowing that you've been through so much makes me realize that I can get through my stuff too.

Micah said...

(reads, nodding)

you've been through things that no one - man or woman, adult or child - should ever have to face... And yet, what they've done hasn't deadened the strength an the courage inside you, for it took a lot to share that with all of us... I can say I admire you... Thank you for trusting us to share this part of yourself...

Good Dreaming...

six said...

Are there worse crimes out there? Perhaps there are. But none sting as much, and leave as much collateral, physical, and emotional damage as sexual abuse. Whether it is rape or molestation, it is a crime that should not be shrouded in as much shame and humiliation (both on the victim's part) as it is.

As a man, it is something I cannot grasp. The act is so cowardly, so hurtful, and so selfish, my mind fails to comprehend the drive to commit it.

As others have said, I only echo their comments. Writing about it, acknowledging it, accepting it... a very large step. And hopefully one that will lead to healing.

.6

Abbie said...

I really agree with everything you said, and I admire you for saying it. I was raped, once when I was 12 and once when I was 16, and it was only years later that I was able to understand that I was raped and admit it to myself. I think it was partially due to that first experience - when you're so young and you tell others what has been done to you and they don't believe you or tell you that you must have been mistaken - it's impossible to reconcile that reaction with your experiences. I think it's a huge testament to your mental health now that you can talk about it and encourage others to call it what it is - rape.

Anna said...

Remembering these things and putting them down in words takes a lot of strength. Leaving yourself, and your comments section, open to the opinions of others takes even more.

You have my respect, and sympathy.

Anonymous said...

i'm sorry for the way you've been treated. i'll never let one of my friends get away with doing anything like this to a woman.

j

Tantalus said...

my heart just broke twelve thousand times over, for you.

Anonymous said...

Im sorry u had to go throught it times, for me i went thru it once and that was bad enough for me so i really admire u for still standin here n having the guts to write it in ur blog.

The guys hu raped u shd b punished but heck, since when they are being punished in this world?

damp said...

Hiya, I've been reading your blog for a while and I think its great. A perfect mix between serious and fun. Anyways... just wanted to say respect for sharing all of this with us. Wish I could say something to make it all go away, but.. well.. thats impossible.

Hugs or something!

diandra said...

I was forced into sex in February. I am uncomfortable with calling it "rape" because I've always viewed myself (and people view me) as a strong woman. I quietly told him to stop, and although my voice was soft, I know he heard me. After about 5-10 minutes of pleading with him, I gave up. I've always felt that I could've done something.

SarahMC said...

So many people out there deny that rape is as prevalent as it is - Rape is rare; it doesn't happen to many women and certainly not to any woman multiple times.
Rapists are men who jump out of the bushes and attack random jogging women, or women wearing "slutty clothes."
These are lies; the truth needs to be exposed. Keep telling the truth about rape.

collegecallgirl said...

Diandra:

It is a lie that rape only happens to weak women. It is a lie that we could have done anything to prevent it. Whether your response was to bite and kick or to lay prone in silent fear, you were raped and he is a rapist.

Anonymous said...

As a man, I strongly feel that any man that rapes a woman should be castrated. In our society so many women do not report rape and it becomes a hidden problem that not much is being done so. We need to increase punishment and not make it a stigma because this was not the womans fault and more cases should come up to the forefront.

collegecallgirl said...

SarahMC:

As usual, you said exactly what I meant to say more succintly than I ever could.

Pirate Alice said...

I'm sitting at my desk here at work crying for you College Girl, and for all your commenters who have admitted to having been raped. I'm so sorry this has happend to all of you. I wish I could wave a magic wand and make your pain go away. Please, all of you know that it is NOT YOUR FAULT. No woman EVER "asks for it".

Violet said...

When I was 18, a friend and I drove to Orange County and ended up partying with a bunch of strange guys at their beach house.

I was flirty, even sat on the lap of one guy. He told me he had something to show me in his room. When we got there, he started kissing me, and I kissed back. Then he started taking off my clothes, and I said I didn't want to, but he said, "Shh, you're okay" and just kept going. I kept saying "please, no" but he didn't seem to hear me. The sex was rough and hurt. At one point, he put his hand over my mouth. I was terrified. Afterward, he passed out. I cleaned up, found my friend and we left. I never even told her I was raped. I found my journal from that time period recently and I called it "bad sex."

At the time, I was confused and guilt-stricken about what had happened and blamed myself because 1.) I was stupid enough to party with strange men, 2.)I "led him on" and went to the bedroom and kissed him willingly, 3.) I didn't scream or struggle as hard as I could have because I was scared and stunned and didn't really know what to do 4.) He didn't beat me up, 5.) I was sure he would not call it a rape.

But it was, I know now it was. I internalized the blame and the awful knowledge that it was not hard for him to assault me. I always thought I would fight back in that situation but instead I just kind of froze. It fucked me up for years.

I just love your blog and read it constantly. Thanks for all your wisdom and honesty.

Anonymous said...

I think if we women are honest with ourselves we can all come up with times that we were sexually assaulted.
That makes me sad.
Your stories fill me with admiration rather than sadness though. What a strong woman you are. Thank you for sharing, and I pray this never happens again.

-J.

Violet said...

Sorry, that was a ridiculously long comment, but thanks for letting me admit what happened here.

Anonymous said...

i was 21 and thought that I could trust this guy to let me sleep in his bed, no sex. He tried to rape me--I screamed for help and fought him off---I still have a scar on my face. No one in the house came to my help and the next day they treated me horribly. I told my kids to never call for help, to yell fire instead. I've always felt that I was to blame for being so trusting.

Anonymous said...

Ok I enjoyed reading your blog until now. I want a rosey picture of life back not a harsh reality. Thanks for sharing. Sorry it happened.

JR. said...

wow

thats all i can say

that was a very powerfull post and you should be very proud of yourself for posting it

dmbmeg said...

ok are you going to freak out if I told you that I was in that same cab driver's cab? I refused to go in the front seat, but I know it's him cause he did the whole palm reading thing, and told me I was going to be "fat" too.

Asshole.

dmbmeg said...

Also, luckily, I got out of the car immediately.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much for your post college callgirl. I was molested several times as a kid and as a teenager, but yeah, it wasn't a stranger at gun point or anything, so I had a hard time convincing myself it wasn't my fault. Your post really helps though

Anonymous said...

I had this happen to me once and I thought it was my fault because I had been drinking. I took me two years and a loving boyfriend who had unfortunately been through the same thing to finally work through two eating disorders and nightmares and tell my parents. The man has now moved to a different continent and I take joy in the fact I will never have to encounter him again. Thank you for sharing, its nice to know we're not alone out here.

k. said...

I've been raped twice and sexually assaulted 4 times that I can remember. Only one of the guys seemed creepy, and all but 2 were people I'd known for years. It's so fucked up.

I'm so proud of you for posting this.

misty0235 said...

I want to thank you for showing courage and strength. Society conditions us especially women to define sexual right and wrong by antiquated sense of morality. One that was built on and reinforced today on rigid patriarchal oppression and the driving need to have control and power.

People think it gives them power over a person who is assaulted, just like the thousands of women who were raped and the cases were tossed because she was "asking for it" total bullshit imo.

I respect your story and you, and i am glad you've been able to process these traumas and begun moving towards a place where you accept you aren't to blame at all.

misty

misty0235 said...

this is a response to some comments offered who courageously shared their personal stories. I am survivor of child molestation and forced sexual conduct myself, it took years for me to internalize the memories and all the collateral damage.

But what I have learned is this:

1. Never think you should have done something, you DID do something...you survived to live other days.
2. Rape is about power and control, not gratification, the more you fight the more pleasure they get.
3. Trust in yourself and forgive yourself, there almost always is guilt, it was an event out of your control, and many people feel guilty that they were unable to protect themselves that maybe they "let" it happen. Even the strongest person can be overpowered.
4.Your life is worth more than a rape, each person has value and worth, and nobody not even a rapist/abuser can take that from you unless you let them.
5. It's ok to be mad/sad/depressed/guilty/powerless/betrayed/abandoned and every other emotion, they are perfectly normal and imo should be honored.
6. Yes, you were victimized, but you decide whether or not you'll be a victim or a survivor.
7. Help is out there and there is no shame that is worth more than healing, reach out someone will be there.
8. Finally you're ok, you are the same person as you were before, with a new experience that changed your life and touched you intimately, but no one and I mean no one can take away your right to dignity, respect, and acceptance.

We are all resilient, more than we may ever realize. You may be bent or hurt, but it doesn't have to break you.

Anonymous said...

Thank you so much. I never understood how vague rape and assault was until it happened to me one very drunken night. I felt so guilty I told my boyfriend and he blamed me for it.
I really needed to read that. I am sorry you had to go through this.

Mary said...

Thank you. I am overwhelmed with all I could say to you right now. You are doing a service to all women by sharing your story. I am so glad you were able to give each of these a name and a number, and now hopefully you will touch other women to do the same. Again, thank you.

Please keep up the writing. You do it so well. When I see you have a new post in my RSS reader I get excited, then I save it for when I have a good chunk of time to take it all in. You make me excited about writing.

Anonymous said...

to Violet
quote "I always thought I would fight back in that situation but instead I just kind of froze."
I know this impression all too well, and it broke my heart and made me cringe every time I would tell my story to a trusted person and get the sadly usual question "did you fight back? did you scream?" ... eventually followed by "what were you wearing that day?"
sigh... it is about time false myths like these came to the forefront

to CCG:
as usual your soul and wit shines through the writing and the brutally honest tales.
and this time is no exception, my heart aches while I read your number's story, but as many have commented, it takes a very brave person to confront such a horrible past, let alone share it for the world to read.
you have all my empathy, and admiration for this. Your courage really puts in perspective my personal demons. keep it up, girl, and keep your head high.

sorry for the long (yet cathartic) post
PS: my number is 2

Calico said...

I've read this three times and still have chills. I don't even know you and yet I am angry and sad and sick at heart.

Thank you for an amazing post. It's about time we began to call rape what it is.

To all the commenters suggesting that you became a prostitute because you were sexually assaulted: fuck them. There's a difference between correlation and causation.

Addict of Metropolis said...

This post sent shivers down my spine, and I thank you for sharing your stories, as difficult as it may be. I am so sorry you went through this.

Pookie said...

Thank you for sharing your life experiences. I have enjoyed reading your blog.

I am sorry for what you have been through in your life, but I hope other people will read your words and they hit home...rape is rape and it is not their fault that it happened to them. I pray that anyone this happens to will speak up and press charges IMMEDIATELY.

I didn't. I was ashamed and embarrassed and he is free.

Mike said...

In the current Jodie Foster movie The Brave One, after the hospital releases her to recuperate at home, she talks about being alone with a stranger with her face and body, and at the end of the movie she talks about the stranger taking over. When she is denied the happy role we see her exulting in at the beginning of the movie, the stranger she is forced to interact with is her authentic, core self vulnerable from exposure and unfamiliar to her from its inactivity.

When we first become disillusioned at the prospect at our true, spontaneous selves filling some happy role behind which to interact with our environment, most people get by by fulfilling the pretense of that or some other acceptable role at the expense of giving our true selves any expression. You see the extreme cost of this choice in people like Larry Craig who declare war on their true selves, only to have it push back in airport restrooms in Minneapolis.

Some of us instead or later choose to give ourselves slack to react from that authentic self, and receive a wide range of reaction often encountering coercion, setbacks, and rejection. But if we hold out, the virtue in eschewing external approval is that our authentic selves strengthen like muscles with exercise. Just keep trusting in yourself, and it will lead you to becoming what you need to become, and to what we all need you to become.

Anonymous said...

My number is one.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Wow...that was heavy. I'm sure you're not the only one who's been there.....

Anonymous said...

It took me three years to admit I had been raped, even though I had bruises everywhere the next day.

People ALWAYS ask me when I tell them about it, "Why didn't you run away? Did you kick him in the balls?"

I had one person say to me, "You should've acted like you LIKED it, reverse psychology".

Answers: I didn't know where I was, so I had no where to run, he had led me through a dark and twisty basement.

I didn't kick him in the balls because he had me strategically pinned down.

I didn't act like I liked it because fuck you.

team gingerbread said...

My number is one and I pressed charges, or course it's been a long drawn out battle and the matter still hasn't come to trial but it doesn't make it any easier and I don't feel like I have closure...

Ashley said...

Freshman year of college this guy I was on a date with forced me to give him head. But I go back and forth because I really didn't fight it, even though it was the last thing I wanted to do. I still don't know if it was assault, but it took me a long time to get over it.

Something also happened when I was a child that I can neither face nor acknowledge, but it comes up for me all the fucking time.

What's sad is that it's not always men who are forceful either. I now only date women, and my ex-gf used to coerce me into sex sometimes. I would say I didn't want to and she would just keep touching me and begging until I gave in. Only one time did I get mad. We had been fucking and then I had a flashback to a childhood incident and started crying so she stopped and held me. But within minutes she was pushing me against a wall and kissing me and didn't understand why on earth I wasn't horny. I made her leave...ok as i was typing that last sentence my ex-gf called. Yeah. I didn't pick up.

Thank you for existing, collegecallgirl. You and I are both 21-year-old Manhattan college students and I often wonder if you're my friend in real life.

Anonymous said...

I was almost raped once. The experience shook me to the core. Even though this experience is nothing compares to your horrible encounters, I know understand a little bit what raped victims had to go through. I was also drunk. My roommate brought home a friend, and all of us hung out and went out. He seemed nice and genuine. The whole time when we were out at the bar, I talked to other men and such to show him that I wasn't interested in him since he tried to put his hand on my thigh while we were sharing a cab going downtown. When we got back to my apartment, my roommate passed out along with another friend. Since he had no where to sleep, I realized that the only nice thing to do as a host is to offer him to share my bed. I told him in the beginning that it was only a friend thing. I woke up several times in the night having him touching me, yet I was so drunk that my body couldn't move. I protested enough for him to realize that I didn't want him to touch. The final straw was when he pulled down my panties and started to lick the top of my clit. I kicked him hard and threw him out of the apartment. The next day, he left me a message on facebook saying that he thought I liked him. I never called the police or really told anyone else except my roommate.

No Nonsense Girl said...

I'm a survivor too girl and you are right, we need to call it rape and sexual assault because that's what they are.

You are doing a service to many women out there by speaking out and telling your stories.

Go girl, don't let anyone shut you up! If you need anything, visit my blog, I'll try to help. :)

Thanks for your courage!!!

For any women out there who needs help www.rainn.org or 1-800-656-HOPE RAINN is Rape Abuse and Incest National Network. There for you 24/7

Anonymous said...

Rape is rape, male or female and there is no justification for it. Rapist, whenever possible should be arrested, indicted, if found guilty, sentenced to long prison terms. Having said that, being raped eight separate times indicates that you have put yourself needlessly into harms way. No person should be raped but using street smarts can avoid much regret. I wish you well and hope you find inner peace and outer vigilance.

Jaime said...

Thank you for sharing this.

SarahMC said...

To those of you wondering whether CCG's experience with sexual assault/rape influenced her choice to be a call girl:

For every prostitute and/or sex worker who's had experience with rape, sexual assault or child molestation, there are thousands of women who are not sex workers who've been sexually assaulted, raped or molested as children.
The fact that many sex workers have been violated in that way stems from the fact that many WOMEN, period, have been violated sexually.
You could just as easily say, "Hmmm, seems like nurses are often survivors of sexual trauma." WOMEN are often survivors of sexual trauma.

skinbeatergreg said...

Powerful, moving post and equally amazing comments. Thank you all for sharing.

No Nonsense Girl said...

I've made an entry on my blog about your powerful statement.


http://thenononsense.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

I am glad you posted this. I have never read your blog before, I got some random friend request on myspace and clicked on it to see who it was, and the guy was a blogger, blogging today about how interesting YOUR blog was.

If I was to count the number of times I was sexually assaulted it would be way up there. Dozens. My mom was a prostitute. I moved out at 13. It has taken me years to realize what a healthy respectful safe sexual relationship is, and I have been intimidated and abused sexually and flat out drugged, raped and tossed around like a rag doll. Both of my (ex) husbands, numerous dates, acquaintances, boyfriends, and even men who I considerered to be my friends have all exploited my timidness and mistaken my fear of speaking up for myself too loudly, for consent. I feel stupid even saying this now, like part of me still believes it must have been my fault, even though when I go through each incident I know it wasn't. Some of the time I was drinking or doing drugs, but even if I was completely sober, I would just freeze up and not fight.

It makes me wonder, after what I read about sexual predators feeding off of the fear of the woman as stated in someone elses comment, if freezing up is a safety response because our bodies know that fighting back could make it worse.

The part about Robb freaked me out a little, I was with a man for several months named Robb, he was 26 and I was 14. I met him through a friend whom was he was giving guitar lessons. The details of that account were so eerily similiar, I almost threw up.

Thanks for this. I have to admit I'll be having a good old fashioned cry tonight. I really need a hug now.

Quietgirl said...

Bless You

Anonymous said...

If you're familiar with Take Back the Night, then I encourage you to help spread the word. If not, then I encourage you to find one in your area (they usually do one at Barnard) and get involved.

I go to a small college (1,500) and since we're in a sleepy town where nothing BIG happens, people close themselves off from things like rape. I'm president of Students Together Against Rape (STAR) and unfortunately even the administration won't take our organization seriously - we get $500 for a year of educating the campus.

I also encourage you to look into the EC in the ER bill that is coming around. It would make it mandatory for hospitals to have emergency contraception available to rape victims in the emergency room. IF ANYONE FROM PENNSYLVANIA IS READING THIS, then contact your representative. The issue is one the fence in PA and constituents need to call and encourage the CARE Act to pass.

Anonymous said...

SarahMC, thank you for your most recent comment. It's insightful, eloquent and all too true. I think I see your comments on feministing frequently as well, and I appreciate you.

Anonymous said...

only after 6 years can i NOW say i was raped. we were friends for years. went through so much together. he was married and had never ever done anything like that. after it happened i told him to never contact me again. he said he was sorry. he KNEW he did something wrong. i told two different female friends and they suggested i shrug it off like a bad memory. that made me feel like if even another female thought that i had led him on, then that it was really my fault for being stupid. i don't want to say it outloud again. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE BELIEVES ME, I KNOW IT WAS WRONG!

Anonymous said...

It's funny, how even if we say it "softly" it just does not count. Your stories brought me back to being 13 with my boyfriend who was 16, whom I was scared of loosing if I did not keep up....when things got too heavy for me, I said "please stop". It met a deaf ear...he kept going...I said nothing. After that, sex was not enjoyable until I met the man I am going to marry ( in 5 months ) I know that our original thoughts of love/sex/giving yourself to someone never adds up to making love to that one person who adores you. Till this day I am sad that my virginity seems to have been wasted on a dude that didn't understand the difference between "i love you" and "STOP". I'm sorry for the things you have endured because I've been through them...ONCE....I can't imagine goin' through it again. Then again, I was lucky to find my soul mate at 15. I hope that one day you find yours, or the equivalent.....goddess bless. <3

mrs. whit said...

i think many girls have been raped and are not even aware of it. and the shit of it all is how the legal system treats rape... its almost impossible to press charges or even prove rape. i had an awful experience and went to the cops - no body did anything

Katie said...

very powerful, and i think you hit the nail on the head about the grey-area of rape. many people would benefit from hearing stories like yours.

jamie said...

the number is three.

Violet said...

Inspired me to write about this further on my own blog. Thanks.

Shaya said...

When I was twelve, I realized that i was being sexually abused by my grandfather, and that he had been doing it whenever he had the chance for many many years.

I was sitting at the computer downstairs when he came up behind me, reached his hand down the neck of my shirt and began rubbing my pre-pubescent chest. He asked me if I liked how he was touching me.

I sat there frozen, wondering why my parents weren't coming downstairs to save me. Yes, they were home at the time.

When he asked me to open my legs for him, I refused, and he walked away and acted offended. I immediately ran upstairs and layered on every bra I owned, trying to get the feeling of his touch off of my skin.

I decided, after some internal and excrutiating debate, to tell my parents. Thankfully, they believed me, and my father immediately drove the fucker to the airport and sent him home.

He has since died, and I still have never felt a hatred akin to what I feel for that man.

The point i'd like to make by this story is that horrible things can happen to you when you are in the least dangerous situations and environments. Sometimes it's not about not having 'street smarts' or making good decisions; sometimes, bad people just find you.

You learn to heal, and to cope, but you never forgive or forget. Especially forget.

Lina said...

"the grey area of rape" seems almost politically incorrect. I read a lot of the feminist blogs, and rape is rape and that's an end to it. I recently posted something fairly similar on my blog (a reader left me a comment and directed me to this post) though I didn't use the word rape at any point. Why? I suppose in feminist blogs it is all so black and white, and 'confessing' that actually, it might not be, seems to provoke a strong reaction in others.
I think this is an excellent post because it highlights this issue, that is isn't all so damn straight forward and boxy.

Trixie said...

CCG, thank you for posting this. I've always known that rape and sexual assault are what they are, regardless of knowing the assailant or not, what one is wearing, being drunk, etc. However, reading this journal entry, for the first time I am questioning something that happened to me years ago. I wasn't scared, just very, very drunk and stoned, sleeping in a guy's bed because I was too squiffy to get to my college room, and couldn't, in my brain-addled state, think of a good reason to say no. I'm sitting here trying to square my lifelong feminism with the fact that I could think, at any age and in any state, that I thought I had to have a reason to say no, other than not wanting to have sex.

And to the Anonymous who said Having said that, being raped eight separate times indicates that you have put yourself needlessly into harms way. I bet you don't even know how out of line you are saying that. There is no way not to be in harm's way, and if a person has ever been assaulted or abused, let alone at such a young age, they may not have early warning systems, because reactions of others to them give them the message that they can't trust themselves.

In short, stop blaming the victims and the survivors.

SarahMC said...

The only way to avoid being raped, to avoid "putting yourself in harm's way" is to completely avoid being in the presence of men. Don't associate with male relatives, neighbors, teachers, friends, coworkers, love interests...

I'm glad my words inspire some of you. :)

collegecallgirl said...

Anonymous:

"Having said that, being raped eight separate times indicates that you have put yourself needlessly into harms way."

I could have danced naked in the streets and if there were no RAPISTS around, I wouldn't have been raped. Besides, which, for most of these instances I was under 18. Are you really going to say that a 13-year-old girl just wasn't "street-smart" enough to avoid getting raped? Being sexually violated from a very young age did put me in a position of powerlessness in the sense that I felt I deserved these things and therefore didn't fight back. This happens to many women, and it is a result of RAPE, not of our own carelessness.

collegecallgirl said...

dmbmeg:

OH MY GOD. That is definitely the same guy. I am incredibly sickened that this creep is out there trying the same shit on other girls. Thank goodness you were less trusting than I was.

Anonymous said...

I still don’t know what to call it. It was in Germany and it happened with a foreigner I was talking to at a bar…my friend had left and I was just shooting the breeze, noticing that the guy was trying to flirt, but I was deeply in love with someone else so it wasn’t happening.

Until I woke up partially naked in his bed the next morning. I don’t remember anything that happened. I remember having two drinks all night. I had a strong suspicion that I was slipped something, but he never acted like I assumed someone who would do that would (i.e. he didn’t seem to feel guilty). He told me what a great night he had. He gave me his e-mail address. I didn’t say a damn thing. He left and I spent the next day trying desperately to remember, but everything was blacked out.

Mike said...

Thank you.

For providing me with an experience everytime I read your posts.

For making me consider different things.

For making me feel such emotion, even unpleasant emotion.

But thank you most of all for not letting such tragedy become a tale designed for sympathy, but empowerment.

Can I ask though, did your "secret life" stop you reporting these crimes (The non-molestation ones)?

Anonymous said...

I was trying to leave my meth addicted husband... I waited for days for him to sleep so I could make my escape. It didn't work. He came to me for sex and I didn't want it. He said "It isn't always about you, sometimes it is about me" There was a terrible struggle where he beat me while several guys in the building did nothing. He ripped all my clothes off and raped me. Then, he threw me outside naked and bloody in the parking lot in 20 degree weather. Luckily I had some spare keys hidden in the wheel well of my truck, but that meant that in order to make my escape I would be naked. I drove to the sherrifs office like a bat out of hell. Humiliation would be the word of the day. He went to jail, but only for assault and not for rape. To say that it was hard to deal with is an understatement. The whole thing has left me feeling rage and powerless for years.

Anne said...

CCG, I love your writing. I have never posted here, but today I want to tell someone. The first time, I was in 7th grade, changing for gym class, and 5 girls in my class beat me, stripped me and raped me with a mop. I never told and I remained friends with three of the girls until I graduated. When I hit "post" I finally have told the world.

Anonymous said...

after reading this, and all your comments, i thought harder about my 'mistakes,' as i sort of think of them. once i had sex with a boy i didn't want to, while drunk, but we had already kissed and gotten naked and i didn't want to be a prude and say no so i did it. another time an asshole friend of mine that was i was making out with kept pressing me to give him head, and i did it because i was afraid he wouldn't talk to me anymore if i didn't.

i don't consider it rape because i wasn't physically forced to. but mentally and emotionally, yes, i guess i was pressed into both acts, and i didn't feel like i could say no.

thanks for the food for thought.

Plusha said...

There is definitely a gray area with rape. I'm a law student, and when I was talking Criminal Law class, there was an understandably very large section on Rape. It's the only crime considered an "honor" crime. Meaning that it is committed against a person's honor. It's different from all other crimes.
The difference between regular assault and rape isn't all that pronounced on a physical level. Both are physical intrusions that cause injury of some sort. However, only in rape is a piece of your soul surgically removed.
I remember reading a law review article by a woman lawyer about her own experience with date rape. She basically pointed out that part of the reason that there is such a gray area with rape is that often times we're just not sure. How many of us have been pestered by men that we're just not that into to have sex, give in because this thought pops into our head "maybe it'll be great. Maybe I should give him a chance", only to have really terrible sex, and then FEEL totally raped and violated because we didn't really want to do it to begin with. Was this rape? This happens to women all the time. But it's consensual. We just feel violated. Especially if the guy acts like a total asshole afterwards.

Now I'm certainly not saying that this is what any of you went through during your experiences. I'm only sharing this to explain some of the grayness.
All that having been said, when I was in college, I liked this guy and thought that I might want to fool around with him. I went to his place with a bunch of people late at night, and we were all drinking. I ended up staying at his place. He wanted to have sex, but I didn't because I was really drunk and just wanted to fool around. He said that I had to get out. It was raining really hard outside and I had a long walk home. I thought that it would just be easier to fuck him and go home in the morning. So I agreed. In the end, he didn't have a condom. So we fooled around, and then he did this thing where he sat on my chest and put his dick in my mouth and started pumping away. I'd never had this experience before, but I certainly hadn't consented to it either.
I let him finish because I was amazed at the fact that he would just do that without asking. I also wanted to see what would happen next. When he came, I spat it into his carpet and rubbed it in, hoping it would fuck up his carpet somehow. He acted like a total asshole in the morning.
To this day, I don't know if I was assaulted or not. I guess not, since it didn't really traumatize me or anything, and I wasn't hurt in anyway. It pissed me off more than anything else, because this man imposed something on me that I hadn't agreed to.
But from that day on, I try not to be completely alone in an apartment with a man that I know I'm not attracted to. Unless it's someone that I've known for years and trust. Sorry for the long comment.

anyjazz said...

It's a good blog.
It needed to be said.
You needed to say it.
We needed to hear it.
Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Rape can happen to anyone, by anyone. Even when you're a straight girl and it's your sorority sister, a girl who has taken vows to be there for you and protect you always. Thank you for your courage in sharing your experiences, CCG. It's been a year since it happened to me, and while demonstrations like Take Back the Night can be empowering, the real catharsis is in telling the entire truth.

collegecallgirl said...

anne:

I am so sorry that happened to you. You should talk about it to a professional. It has helped me a lot to discuss these things with a therapist. I know it's hard, but I appreciate you sharing that with us.

each of the two said...

If only there was a way for every man and woman to read this or something like it.

truth.

education.

amanda said...

my number is one.

thank you for being you and writing what you write.

Anonymous said...

So yeah, I never thought I'd post about this stuff either...but reading the post and the comments just brought up a lot of stuff.

My number is 1. I was with a friend at a club, drinking. We met these guys and my friend was flirting with them. Afterwards they invited us to go hang out at their house. I went. My friend left me alone with these two guys. She was off hooking up with one of them. I was pretty drunk and these two guys started trying fooling around with me. It all happened too fast and I kept telling them to stop because my friend was in the other room. Needless to say, they didn't.

I still didn't even think it was close to rape until I noticed that the carpet was stained with blood--I still don't know how or why that happened. The two rapist guys' friends let me use the shower and the blood just wouldn't stop. I went to the ER and to the police.

When I confronted her about why she left me alone and lied saying she was "watching TV", she stopped talking about it. She never even mentions it anymore. Nobody does. It's almost worse when it feels like it never happened.

Heidi said...

I hear you. You deserve to be heard. Please take good care of yourself.

Anonymous said...

I'm so glad I'm not the only one, but it breaks my heart that I'm not the only one. ~jess

Sabina said...

I'm so sorry this happened to you. My first reaction reading this, guiltily, was, "I'm so lucky this has never happened to me." But I shouldn't be considered lucky; it's unfortunate that living without rape isn't the kind of thing we can take for granted.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for sharing your awful experiences - I was sexually assaulted once, I was lucky - it didn't escalate to 'rape', but I most definitely was violated.

Your candidness puts sexual assault in a very frank manner, which is necessary for people to be able to accept that it happened, and have the courage to do something about it.

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

i am so sorry that you have had to experience these things, but i'm so glad that you have found the strength to think about and discuss your assaults.
you are a strong, wonderful woman.

Midwest Father and Husband said...

I have two little girls (3.5 and 2.5 yrs old). While I hope they are stong enough to endure anything, I am scared to death at the thought of them out in the real world. I keep telling my wife (who was once assaulted) that we need to get the girls some sort of self defense training. I don't know if it would help in the situations you faced but I'm really just grasping for anything to help them prepare for things that I hope they never have to face.

I long ago gave up on faith and prayer. I beleive people have free will and we live in a world full of greedy, inconsiderate, ignorant assholes who feel they are entitled. I'm sorry that you've had to endure putting up with people that should not be allowed to exist. I hope that continue to share your post and that one day the lemons that you've been given in life turn to gold.

collegecallgirl said...

Midwest Father and Husband:

I think self-defense training is a great idea. I know of some programs for kids here in NY. If you can't find a specific self defense program, karate can also be good. It's about teaching girls to stand up for themselves; to fight back. Knowing that you know how to hit someone if you need to means a lot.

I'd also advise parents to talk to their children about rape, male or female. Teach them that no one has the right to do anything to them without their consent, no matter what the circumstances. And teach them that no matter how hard it may be to talk about or how much they may feel it is their fault, to tell you if they are assualted.

And I wish parents would teach their sons that no means no before anything else.

Madison said...

Kudos to you on sharing your stories with us, we are all stronger people for reading them.

Anonymous said...

I am so frustrated by your post and the comments following it. Why? Not because I'm some sort of a-hole and want to belittle the horrible experiences you and dozens, hundreds, thousands of other women have endured. What is making me so angry is the "confessional" tone that many of these posts take. The crimes against you and the other women here were and still are despicable.

But these comments still prove what a long way we still have to go as a society. Women shouldn't be carrying around these secret shames; talking/writing about this shouldn't have the tone of an AA meeting: "Hi, I'm 'K' and I've been assaulted or raped x times." Horrid, horrid, horrid.

--J

Pan said...

Powerful...incredibly powerful.

The Ethical Slut said...

http://rightrides.org/

Safe rides home at night for women, free. M and I are going to start volunteering in Harlem next month.

Anonymous said...

My number is two.I was underage both times.An uncle molested me.I was sleeping over to be with my cousins,around my same age,and I was in this sleep over kids party thing.I was sleepy,and woke up,to find him touching me all over, and it made me sick.I was so young,and never knew what he was doing to me.
I think I was 10 years old.
My aunt had divorced him,since then,he was a loser,and probably abused her too.
When he died recently,I had a party! I celebrated his death!
I told my family years later.It seemed no one would talk about it,or discuss it with me,nor would they seem to believe me. But he was quite capable of doing that.
He was a fucking scum bag.
The second one; well,I was in junior high school,so I was 14.I used to love ice skating,at this public park.And went there EVERY night,I was always into sports.
So I went one night,alone(this was the mid 1970's or so)It seemed safe.I never felt scared.It was a popular hangout,and a lot of my friends went there,every night.
Well,they plowed the snow up,and made hills.Then made the playgrounds into an ice rink,by flooding it with water. The snow around it was like huge hills,of plowed snow.(this is Wisconsin after all)And this high school kid came by me,and pushed me over the snow plowed hills,and pulled a knife out and held it to my neck,and then proceded to rape me.
All the while the knife was at my neck,and if I moved an inch,I would have been cut,and bled there. No one would have seen me,since I was behind these snow hills. I never went ice skating ever again. I tried to tell people about it,but it seemed like I was too ashamed,and I felt like they didn't believe me. I never pressed charges.That was way before talk shows,even discussed those types of things.Now it's all in the open ,and people are encouraged to out the rapists. I think we need penalties for men who do this.
I think cutting their balls off would do it.
Now I carry a concealed weapon,to all dates,whether they are friends of friends or blind dates. Doesn't matter,you fuck with me,I'll fuck you back. I think it's a cruel god damned world we live in.
How would guys like it,if they were molested,ass fucked,until they bled? I guess the laws would change then.

Anonymous said...

I've never spoken about this because it isn't my story to tell, but it somehow seems appropriate here.

My wife was sixteen when she was raped, some twenty years ago. Her cousin, a few years older than she, lived with her family every summer to help her parents work in the family business.

Her parents decided to go on vacation -- very rare for them -- because they had the cousin at the house who could "watch over" my wife.

My wife always knew her cousin was a little off -- she would catch him in her room, going through her things, and even unwrapping her used feminine products. However, a few days after her parents had left, she awoke one night in bed to find him on top of her, one hand pinning both of her hands to the bed, and one hand covering her mouth. He was already inside her, and he finished shortly thereafter.

As he was leaving her room, he said something to the effect of "You'll learn to enjoy it," followed by "I know which states we can go to where cousins can marry legally."

She spent the rest of the night crying, sitting in the tub while the shower rained down on her.

To make matters worse, he had chosen the specific day to rape her with the intention of impregnating her, which he did. See, my wife has always had a love for children, making them her life's work. He knew this, and he thought by impregnating her, he could force her to run away with him for marriage.

In one of the hardest decisions of her life, given her love of children, she chose to have an abortion. Afterward, when he found out, he was furious with her. Eventually, he calmed down, and offered to "pay for half," leaving the money on her dresser (which he later took back).

She didn't tell her parents because of the shame she felt. He continued to live with them for the rest of the summer, and for the next three summers afterward.

We met at 19, and we bonded quickly. She soon told me about what had happened, and she was surprised that I didn't leave her. That made me incredibly sad; it hurt that she felt like that would be anyone's reaction to whom she told her secret. Eventually, she gathered the strength to tell her parents. While they appeared to believe her, they said very little. About two weeks later, they drove her cousin home with some excuse as to why they didn't need him at the store anymore. Her mother basically tried to tell her that it was "all in the past" and that "we could pretend it didn't happen." Worse, she told her that she shouldn't tell her boyfriend (me) because I'd probably leave her. Her mother was surprised that I already knew and had stayed around.

Twenty years later, and she still frequently thinks of the abortion -- not the rape so much. She's done remarkably well considering she's refused to go to counseling for the issue, but for years if I touched her (even accidentally) near her hips while she was sleeping, she would either awaken with a start, or she would move into a nightmare from which she would awaken in tears.

It's been a long road, and I've never spoken or written this aloud, but the threats to women are everywhere, and it just has to stop.

We have two daughters, ages four and six, and I've been trying to instill the understanding that defending one's self is okay, fine, and the right thing to do. My oldest is so concerned that she'll "get into trouble with the teacher" that she let a boy pull her down on the playground and drag her across the rocks by her jacket hood. I'm furious with the boy, of course, but she continues to insist that she shouldn't defend herself, regardless of my pledging my full support to defend her with her teachers and principal. It terrifies me that she might carry this attitude into the future. My younger daughter understands the concept, fortunately, but I still fear for them, both as they grow up and right now.

Thank you for what you shared, and thank all of the rest of you for doing so as well.

Anonymous said...

You Fucking Rule!

not because you've been so abused, that sucks, but because you can talk about it and encourage others to talk about it

A Pervert Looks at 40 said...

I stopped counting the women I knew who'd been sexually assaulted when I ran out of fingers and toes (and have posted about it on my blog, back on August 1).

What I really commend is getting the help before it has even worse trickle down effects. Two of the women I've dated were daughters of mothers who never got help dealing with their own sexual abuse histories. Their daughters ended up carrying much of the trauma without having been the direct victim.

Jeanne said...

I was in my first year of college. We'd hooked up before, regularly, and this time was no different; except I was drunk, and he was so my heavier on top of me, and then halfway through he took off the condom and just finished while I tried to fight him off. Right afterwards I sat in the shower and cried for hours. The next day we both acted like nothing happened, and I've never told anyone or even thought about it. The only reason why I even remember this is because it was the last time I've really cried, and it was more than three years ago.

Thank you, so much. For whatever form it takes, rape is something you recognize once it confronts you with its ugly face.

Mike said...

I keep telling my wife (who was once assaulted) that we need to get the girls some sort of self defense training. I don't know if it would help in the situations you faced but I'm really just grasping for anything to help them prepare for things that I hope they never have to face.

When I was serving an enlistment at USStratCom, I volunteered as a throwing dummy for handful of YWCA self-defense classes taught by a Midwestern grandmother with a blackbelt in judo. She often started out having the students line up and walk past her one at a time, then tell them that they should learn to make eye-contact with men as they pass them because predators look for girls who can't. After the class I first saw her do this, she said the three girls who didn't make eye-contact with her were victims of some kind of sexual abuse. I didn't realize that any of the girls had behaved differently passing her.

In the class she did say she was safe waiting at bus-stops at night, even fighting off an attack on one occasion. But she did confide in me that she was ambushed by an acquaintance rape. She beat the crap out of the guy after he was finished. Because of this I don't think self-defense will prevent a rape, but I also think learning how to break a guy's arm is still a worthwhile skill to employ in the aftermath, as a matter of enforcing fairness. I think part of the problem is that, unlike men, women predominantly direct the violent reactions of post-traumatic stress disorder inward. It's a part of how we cripple them.

Something I heard on Oprah I think is a good idea is, while in your presence, encouraging your young children to interact with strangers as much as possible. It's harder to identify someone who won't honor our boundaries without practice interacting with others.

Mike said...

What is making me so angry is the "confessional" tone that many of these posts take. The crimes against you and the other women here were and still are despicable.

But these comments still prove what a long way we still have to go as a society. Women shouldn't be carrying around these secret shames; talking/writing about this shouldn't have the tone of an AA meeting: "Hi, I'm 'K' and I've been assaulted or raped x times."


When you present anything to the public, whether it's art or simply an account of your own experiences, there is a balance of epic and intimate elements inherent in its presentation. Vonnegut had an analogy comparing writing to holding a conversation in a restaurant -- you speak to hold the attention of the people at your table, but you speak clearly enough for anyone listening in to understand the appeal to what you have to say.

For a while it was conventionally understood that the academy award for documentary was reserved for documentaries covering people who went through the holocaust. This was at a time many holocaust survivors were still reluctant to talk about their experiences decades afterwards. It seems to me part of the challenge giving accounts of surviving the holocaust was rooted in its epic scale. The overarching struggle for survival is so universal, it seems to remove all subjective elements. Since we are universally agreed in our self-interest in survival, there seems to be nothing to convince anyone of, so survivors are greeted with an indifference that they find isolating. I think the single most brilliant act of genius in cartooning was in Maus when Art Spiegelman chose to portray the Jews with mouse-faces, because of its effect in establishing an intimacy with the reader over an epic history.

This is why we need art, because most people can't be reached without it. If you have something you want to say no one else is saying, you'd better be a great artist. This weblog is good.

Underwire said...

I wish you strength.

Anonymous said...

Another child molested me when I was younger. I never forgave myself.

Then when I was in college a "friend" took advantage of me when I was drunk and pinned me up against a wall and forced his hand down my pants. No boy had ever touched me there before. he will never know how powerless he made me feel.

Mike said...

And I wish parents would teach their sons that no means no before anything else.

I think it was the last presidential election that married voters were polled if their spouses voted the same way they did. Half the men said their wives voted the same as they did, while only a quarter of the women said their husbands voted the same way they did.

These results were interpreted to mean that of the women who tolerated divergent political opinions in their spouses, half of them portrayed themselves as in agreement with political opinions they disagreed with.

My intent is to say this without contradicting anyone's account here of what they've been through: but, while they may have been raised so that it's the only way they know how to manage their relationships, it seems apparent to me that women nurture and carry half of the privilege men indulge in.

Politically-mixed marriages are conventionally understood to predominantly be conservative men pairing up with liberal women. If women are going to refuse to abstain from relationships with men who serve themselves first politically, and who starve women of equal wages for equal work to coerce them into these uneven relationships, why should men give up serving themselves first as they've always done? Why should men give up sexism as long as sexism gets most men what they want?

Mike said...

I think I remembered that married-voters poll wrong. I think it was ¾ of married men and ½ of married women reporting they voted differently from their spouses, with the gap being accounted for as ½ of the women who disagreed with their spouses portraying themselves as agreeing with them.

Mike said...

I think I remembered that married-voters poll wrong. I think it was ¾ of married men and ½ of married women reporting they voted differently...

Ach, that should be "reporting voting the same..."

Anonymous said...

My number is 1. I was 13 and was tricked by a family friend. Charges were pressed. He got probation. I was so afraid of trial, I tried to kill myself. I am crying as I right this now. That was 10 years ago and reading these comments struck a nerve in me. One memory that rings in my head when I told my parents about my molestation, I remember my dad saying I should be ashamed of myself. It took a long time to forgive him. Sexual abuse takes a piece of that person away. I remember my life then. I dropped out of middle school, lost weight and cried all day. My mom had to quit her job to look after me. Today, I am a former dancer who will be graduating from college with honors in December. Fuck you Curtis.

Sophist said...

Some time ago a woman was at a bar who decided to go to the bathroom, this man decided to follow her, and when they got to the bathroom he had sex with her pinned to the ground and with a belt around her throat. He left when he was done and in came another woman, who saw the first and asked what had happened to her. She replied that she had been raped and started crying, and the other rushed out to the security employees who captured the man and held him until the police arrived.

The woman pressed charges, the case got into the court, the man's lawyer argued that she had not done anything to suggest that she didn't like it, the woman's lawyer argued that she had frozen up and had not understood what was happening to her.

In conclusion the case was dismissed, and the woman had to pay the man's lawyer about the equivalent of thirty thousand dollars, among other things.

So clearly this is wrong, and clearly this means that there is something wrong with the society. CCG is right when she points out that men should understand the word no, but there is much more to it than that.

In fact men, and people in general, should understand that even if you can get what you want if you only ask, you shouldn't always ask.

People should understand that it is not happiness they feel after adding sugar to their coffee, or having that person naked and moaning in front of them, but rather contentment. Eating good food makes you perhaps blissfully satiated, but not happy as such. And as a rule, those who seek pleasure do never get to keep it even if they find it.

Parents are ill-equipped to teach their offspring about morals if they do not understand morals themselves, which is often the case. Therefore, if we are to have any ethical instruction, it should take place in school.

Make ethical instruction mandatory in schools, starting with the first lesson in elementary and ending with the last in high school. By doing this we have a chance of correcting a great deal of problems with society, among which is finding jobs for all those who decide to educate themselves as philosophers.

Saying that raping is wrong only gets people so far. Saying that raping is wrong and so is beating up kids for their lunch-money doesn't go much further. Helping the kids understand that there is more to the world than they themselves, and possibly more to the world than the world itself helps the kids put things into perspective. And with that perspective you can teach them a lot of practical things, such as that the world doesn't really have to be a terrible place.

Finally, I would like to express my appreciation for whoever has come forward with their stories, as well as my sorrow for that they should have such stories to tell.

And talking about it is definitely the right thing to do, for anyone who still has doubts, wherever you should talk.

Sorry for lengthy comment.

Anonymous said...

I am a 30 year old male and although I am not good at talking to girls or being friends with girls, I treat every girl with the utmost respect.

From reading the post and the comments, I would just say I am sorry for all that have happened to all you girls. I really hope that one day we could all treat each and every person with the respect that they deserve. The human race still has a long way to go before we stop being such a**h****.

Anonymous said...

My number is one. But my family and i did try to press charges. Unfortunately, I was too young to testify and none of the many other victims came forward.

Mike said...

[Me] I think it was the last presidential election that married voters were polled if their spouses voted the same way they did. [¾ of] the men said their wives voted the same as they did, while only [half] of the women said their husbands voted the same way they did.

These results were interpreted to mean that of the women who tolerated divergent political opinions in their spouses, half of them portrayed themselves as in agreement with political opinions they disagreed with.

My intent is to say this without contradicting anyone's account here of what they've been through: but, while they may have been raised so that it's the only way they know how to manage their relationships, it seems apparent to me that women nurture and carry half of the privilege men indulge in.


[Sophist] CCG is right when she points out that men should understand the word no, but there is much more to it than that.

In fact men, and people in general, should understand that even if you can get what you want if you only ask, you shouldn't always ask.

People should understand that it is not happiness they feel after adding sugar to their coffee, or having that person naked and moaning in front of them, but rather contentment. Eating good food makes you perhaps blissfully satiated, but not happy as such. And as a rule, those who seek pleasure do never get to keep it even if they find it.

Parents are ill-equipped to teach their offspring about morals if they do not understand morals themselves, which is often the case. Therefore, if we are to have any ethical instruction, it should take place in school.

Make ethical instruction mandatory in schools, starting with the first lesson in elementary and ending with the last in high school. By doing this we have a chance of correcting a great deal of problems with society, among which is finding jobs for all those who decide to educate themselves as philosophers.

Saying that raping is wrong only gets people so far. Saying that raping is wrong and so is beating up kids for their lunch-money doesn't go much further. Helping the kids understand that there is more to the world than they themselves, and possibly more to the world than the world itself helps the kids put things into perspective. And with that perspective you can teach them a lot of practical things, such as that the world doesn't really have to be a terrible place.


I don't think you are wrong, and I think I can say this without contradicting you: but how counter-intuitive is it to devote resources to train all schoolboys to sacrifice their own self-interest with anything approaching a 25% swing, before healing the 25%-50% of women in relationships who don't know how to act in their own self-interest?

In business, you don't hire your salesmen to figure out on their own the benefits of what they're selling, the salesmen themselves have to be sold on what they're selling. If the people who have a self-interest in being sold something can't be sold on it, how counter-intuitive is it to expect people who have to give up something to buy it to do so?

Men will learn to fulfill the trust they are failing in only from women -- and 25%-50% of women behave as if men don't fail in this regard.

M said...

I love how you didn’t leave out any details like for instance, the fact that you were kissing up on your best friend’s boyfriend and that at a young age, you were hooking up with older strangers you had met online. The comment about putting yourself needlessly in harm’s way- the thought did run through my mind a few times as to “What were you thinking? And what is it that you wanted, love or physical satisfaction?" No matter what, you are right; there are no extenuating circumstances that can justify rape or molestation. The law has to be absolute about this, or it doesn’t protect women and children, and men as well.

With that said, the world is bloody hell, and no one should come into it with a lollipop and Bible in hand that tells you it's God's good creation. It's better to come into it prepared for war. Sisters should definitely take self defense courses and wear steel underwear.

BottleBlonde said...

My heart hurts reading this, College Callgirl. I am truly sorry that you were subjected to such torture. May karma repay those 'men' with cruelty.

Johnny Wadd said...

wow, you've sure hung around with alot of scumbags.

Sophist said...

Mike: First of all, proper ethical instruction would explain why ethical behavior does not equal sacrifice of self-interests, similarly to how not eating chocolate all day leads to longer life and healthier teeth, and so on. It would be intended for everyone going to school, not just the boys, for girls can be equally wicked.

This would have indirect effect on those who have already suffered by trying to change how the society as a whole thinks. Men and women. Emphasizing self-reflection, critical thought, and ethical behavior for everyone and making this important from day one is more likely to solve this problem, as well as many others, than trusting the parents. The question is whether those things can be taught, and even if not, then I still say that practical philosophy would have been a lot more interesting than some of the things I was forced to study.

But no, there is no direct reach to current victims or victimizers of any sort. This is more like a long-term strategy, of many stars, one of which would be to explain to boys and girls that having raped someone is not something you can wash off yourself next day in the shower.

In my experience those who are ethical contaminate their surroundings with ethical speculations. E.g. a kid who is very ethical might speculate about the state of things in his family and cause his family to make amendments where is necessary. A mother might therefore be encouraged to look after her own self interests by her child, and so on. Who knows. Anyway, this is probably not the right venue for such debates.

Anonymous said...

That was incredible. Thank you so much for having the courage to speak of this. I, too, have been sexually assaulted, but have never told anyone, not even my husband. Perhaps now I will.

jennabelle said...

i completely agree with A Pervert Looks at 40 about getting help before the 'trickle down' effect occurs. my mom was molested by a doctor when she was in high school. later she was beaten by another boyfriend and married by the time she was 19. she became desperate for male attention, and when i hit puberty at an early age she started to see me as competition. i had very large breasts (especially for a twelve-year-old) and when men would loudly catcall at me she would tell me i deserved it for wearing such "tight" shirts. when my first boyfriend broke up with me, she said she would have done the same if she were him. when i got a breast reduction at 17, as she signed the release forms she told me i was making a terrible decision and other girls would kill for my body and besides, didn't i like the attention?

i grew up feeling horribly insecure and constantly desperate for attention. since i was much more physically mature than my friends i was labeled a slut (once i overheard my best friend's mom tell another mom i was "the promiscuous-looking one". i was 13 and had done no more than kiss a boy.) and when i started letting boys taking advantage of how vulnerable i was (and how ridiculously permissive my parents were, and how naive i was, etc.), i convinced myself that this was the way i was destined to be.

luckily i moved away when i turned 18 and found my own support system elsewhere. despite an enormous increase in strength and confidence in myself once i left home, there was still one night in college that i can never take back. i came home very drunk after a party, and my roommate's friend followed me into my bedroom. i was so wasted that for a while i thought he was my best friend katie and i kept asking him why he had cut his hair like a boy. he told me i was funny and started kissing me. i liked it, until he started biting my lips hard. i froze, and he seized that moment to pull my sweatpants off. i told him i didn't want him to do that, that i didn't like him, that i didn't have a condom ... any reason i could think of, like i was trying to convince him why he shouldn't have sex with me against my will. he kept telling me how funny i was and how happy he was to me with me. with every mean insult i spat at him he was more determined to get his way. i was far too sloppy and drunk to fight him physically, and even if i had been sober he was still bigger than me. (as men usually are.) finally i gave up, and let him do it. i faded in and out of consciousness, and finally came to and he was still going and i said "can you just stop?" and he said "it's not working anyway" and got off me. he passed out on my floor and snuck out the next morning before my roommates could catch him. i had a fat lip from him biting me and told everyone i didn't remember how it happened. i felt awful and violated, but also like i deserved it for being so drunk and not putting up a better fight.

months later, on the first day of a new quarter, i walked into a spanish class and found him in there. i desperately tried to switch classes, but it was impossible. i cried in the bathroom after class several times that quarter. we never said a word to each other, though i caught him staring at me a few times and when i glared back he'd give me this creepy, sadistic smile.

i have never told this story in its entirety, i've only indicated that something bad happened that night. i tried to tell a boyfriend once, but he blamed me for putting myself in such a position and then told me it would be something he'd have to get over if we were going to stay together.

thanks for sharing, CCG, and thanks for letting us share. it feel strange to talk about it, but empowering, and i'm glad the girls at jezebel have been talking about it too. and you're absolutely right -- rape only happens when there are rapists present. when i first met my current boyfriend, we went out one night and went back to his place completely trashed. i woke up groggily with little recollection of anything after stumbling from the cab into his front door. i sat up and realized i had passed out in my jeans and jacket. he was already awake, and had a glass of water for me and teased me gently about snoring. when we finally had sex, even though i had given him every reason to think that i wanted it just as much as he did, he still asked if it was okay for him to do it. men like him give me hope.

back to my original point -- if i ever have a daughter (shudder) i will do everything in my power to teach her that she is beautiful and that nobody should EVER touch her without her consent, no matter what the circumstances may be.

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Anonymous said...

God bless you. It's happened to me too. God bless both of us.

Mike said...

I don't think you are wrong, and I think I can say this without contradicting you: but how counter-intuitive is it to devote resources to train all schoolboys to sacrifice their own self-interest with anything approaching a 25% swing, before healing the 25%-50% of women in relationships who don't know how to act in their own self-interest?

In business, you don't hire your salesmen to figure out on their own the benefits of what they're selling, the salesmen themselves have to be sold on what they're selling. If the people who have a self-interest in being sold something can't be sold on it, how counter-intuitive is it to expect people who have to give up something to buy it to do so?

Men will learn to fulfill the trust they are failing in only from women -- and 25%-50% of women behave as if men don't fail in this regard.


Mike: First of all, proper ethical instruction would explain why ethical behavior does not equal sacrifice of self-interests, similarly to how not eating chocolate all day leads to longer life and healthier teeth, and so on. It would be intended for everyone going to school, not just the boys, for girls can be equally wicked.

This would have indirect effect on those who have already suffered by trying to change how the society as a whole thinks. Men and women. Emphasizing self-reflection, critical thought, and ethical behavior for everyone and making this important from day one is more likely to solve this problem, as well as many others, than trusting the parents. The question is whether those things can be taught, and even if not, then I still say that practical philosophy would have been a lot more interesting than some of the things I was forced to study.


What's wrong with making self-sacrifice sexy?

4 years ago, democratic primary voters chose John Kerry as their party's candidate to challenge the incumbent George Bush. He accepted the nomination saying he was "reporting for duty." George Bush ran his administration by landing jump-suited on aircraft carriers named after Lincoln circling off the coast of California, finally giving southern voters one of their own (they felt free to disregard his yankee-educashun) as an emancipator, and John Kerry, whose military drills are all accounted for, was chosen to muscle Bush out of the hero-candidate role.

Then Kerry started getting swift-boated and he backed off of the hero-candidate position -- without occupying any competing position whatsoever. Bush won simply because everything he did was consistent with the notion that we measure our strength by our dominance.

John Kerry essentially did nothing and received more votes than any presidential candiate in US History -- other then the winner of the 2004 election. To me the obvious challenge to "we measure our strength by our dominance" is "we measure our strength by our generosity." It worked for Kennedy, who is still quoted saying ask not what your country can do for you and saying we do things not because they are easy but because they are difficult.

Again, I'm not even saying anything you say is wrong. But I'm not seeing any challenge to "we measure our strength by our dominance" in anything you say, and unless you address that foundation to the predators' justification for what they do, it doesn't matter what you say, you may as well pack up and go home for all impact you aren't going to have.

But no, there is no direct reach to current victims or victimizers of any sort. This is more like a long-term strategy, of many stars, one of which would be to explain to boys and girls that having raped someone is not something you can wash off yourself next day in the shower.

No one is resolved to do the wrong thing. Everyone already knows rape is wrong. Everyone sees themselves as the hero of their own story -- as long as they see themselves incapable of evil, rapists will simply continue to portray their rape as something other than rape ("it isn't rape if she asked for it," "men are the real victims") or something done casually ("I didn't mean it, so it can't have happened").

You are inviting backlash at your implication people have to have teachers taking orders from strangers in the state and federal capitals to teach their children right from wrong -- and I don't know that they shouldn't fight that notion tooth and nail.

In my experience those who are ethical contaminate their surroundings with ethical speculations. E.g. a kid who is very ethical might speculate about the state of things in his family and cause his family to make amendments where is necessary. A mother might therefore be encouraged to look after her own self interests by her child, and so on. Who knows. Anyway, this is probably not the right venue for such debates.

That's all well and good, but there already is almost a universal agreement that rape is wrong. The people who don't see their rape as wrong need the disinterest of people who already know rape is wrong. Telling school children the rape-they-already-know-is-wrong is wrong isn't going to make a difference.

Violet said...

This isn't just a female issue, this happens to young boys all the time too. My brother was molested by a neighbor when he was young, and he said he never told anyone about it because he was so ashamed and worried that people would think he was gay. Another friend was molested by a priest.

I think it is almost harder for men to admit and talk about it, but I hope they will keep coming forward.

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Mike said...

Shoplifting from a hooker is rape. And you can't pay a store for a candy bar and walk home with the cart and not call it stealing.

Anonymous said...

As a male, it's painful to admit, but my number is two.

Anna said...

Ah, the assholes are starting to come out of the woodwork...

Anna said...

...that was in reference to the one several comments above, by the way.

Emily said...

This really made me think a lot. It's always been very painful for me to have sex so, other than the few times I want to try again after some new treatment attempt, sex has never really been voluntary. I guess my number is 4. Varying from the guy who told me that we *were* having sex for our anniversary no matter what (left him shortly after that), to the times I'd say 'no' when an attempt got too painful, to the one who guilt-tripped me into it, as if I owed him sex.

That's definitely been my problem - in most cases, these weren't bad guys. But there was enough expectation of sex that I felt I had to.

My happiest relationship was one where the guy and I just explored each others' bodies. He didn't try to push me in any direction I didn't want to go and we both had an amazing time. Rather than getting whiny if I wasn't spontaneously ready to fool around, he'd initiate it with hugs, kisses - a favorite memory is when I'd mostly drifted off before he came to bed, he woke me with a rain of kisses.

And all of this is nonverbal communication. Instead of blaming a girl for not wanting something, or trying to force it or guilt-trip her into it, change something so it *will* be desirable. Girl's not particularly thinking SEX, but the guy really wants it? Guy can go give girl a back rub, tickle her, nibble earlobe and neck...

This got kind of discombobulated - I just took an ambien before I saw this, and this really struck a very strong chord with me. My fear of a physical relationship combined with the really strong desire for one finally made sense. Hmm. Perhaps counseling will sort the rest of this out...

Sarah said...

About two years ago, I was seeing a friend of a friend and we'd been having sex some of which was a tad bit kinky. He stayed over one Saturday night and when I woke up in the morning he rolled me onto my stomach and bound my arms behind me, which was fine. What came as a shock to me however was the fact that he entered my ass. He also did it without a condom which freaked me out.

I was so surprised by the whole thing that I froze and didn't know what to do, I remain ashamed and nauseated with myself for not stopping him but I just didn't know what to do. Needless to say that relationship ended then and there.

Thank you for posting this. I thought I was being over sensitive about this event. After all we'd previously had sex. Clearly I need to make the mental shift that will allow me to think of this as not being my own damn fault.

Cho Seung said...

Vengeance. Kill those lowlives. Collect their phalluses as your trophies. Destroy anyone who tries to stop you. The world has been cruel to you and you have every reason to fight back and make your vicious mark on the world.

aju said...

About 25 years ago my girlfriend and I where playing around, she flirted with me,and I flirted with her, one thing lead to another, and we started to make love. At least that was what I thought. Quite far into the process she began to say no. I thought she was playing a game, and held her down and continued. I didn't know she really meant no until she started to cry. Twenty five years later, I still feel awful about that.

After reading all of the comments, one theme really seems to stand out. Getting really drunk, is very dangerous for a woman. A lot of the rapes reported here would never have happened if you didn't get really drunk. Maybe along with teaching our children self defense, we should teach them how to say no to the social pressure to drink just one more. I have three sons, and I am as sure as anyone can be about such things that they would never rape anyone. You can never be completely sure of such things. There would be a lot less rapes in this world if we did not have the boys will be boys attitude, or the well he didn't know what he was doing, he was drunk attitude. It is clear to my sons that I would never except that as an excuse.
Also it is criminal that some parents don't support their daughters.

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Anonymous said...

I've been reading your blog for a while now, but this is the first time it's made me cry. Thank you for being brave enough to open up to all of us. To you and to others who've responded in the comments, you have my deepest sympathy.

Anonymous said...

I am a male and will probably never suffer the way you did. Reading your post was painful and liberating. I don't cry, ever; but tears are streaming down my face. Such a sick world we live in. You must be a strong person, and although I do not know you may your future be bright and all your dreams come true. No one should ever have to suffer in such ways.

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Anonymous said...

My number is 4

Starting at 6 years old, in many ways I think the first assualt meant I didn't bother fighting off the later 3 because I obviously deserved it.

In many ways I still think I do

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M. said...

Reading this made me shiver. I'm sorry you've had to deal with all of this. (And I can't believe you're only a year older than I am. That really puts so much in perspective.)

I'm glad the women at Jezebel are stirring up these conversations, and I'm glad that you're participating too. Rape is a reality that far too many women still have to face. And to add insult to injury, there is such an unfair stigma attached to it. We need to be open and talk about this stuff it we ever want things to change. So kudos for putting this out there-- it must have taken a lot of strength to put it into words.

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Anonymous said...

Hi there, reading the beginning of this post was like hearing myself. As terrible as it's been, I do feel like I've become a stronger person through these experiences even though no one should have to go through such things.
Thank you so much for writing this, I'm sure it is helping a lot of people in many ways.

pinkdomme said...

Thank you for being so open and vulnerable and posting your painful experiences that you lived through. I'm sorry there are some assholes who have commented on your post.

Take Back The Night, if you haven't been already, is an event I would recommend.

I am not a rape survivor, but I am a sexual assault survivor. Most women I know can relate to what you wrote because all of us have had our boundaries violated at some point in our lives. Thank you for being so brave!

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Anonymous said...

It happened to me too.
the police in providence, ri (where i currently live and where, it, happened) refused to believe me after my ex roomate (whose friend it was) told the police she sided with him.
the police officer who i was telling my story to basically called me a slut. he told me i would be fined a large amount of money for lieing in court.

i begged everyone with a gun who walked by in the police station lobby to shoot me.
my parents had to hold me down so i wouldnt jump off the balcony of the station.
nobody believed me, because someone who wasnt even in the room, sided with the rapist.

there is no justice.
even if you know youve been raped.
-K

SarahMC said...

What the FUCK. Thanks guys, for showing up to lecture us women re: how to not get raped. If you'd educated yourself about rape before commenting you wouldn't make such patronizing statements. Women live every fucking day of their lives knowing that X, Y, and Z should be avoided. We're blamed NO MATTER WHAT. If you think women aren't bombarded with messages re: how to avoid being a victim you're an idiot. How about some advice for men: "Don't be a sadistic, inhuman rapist?"

I also appreciate the entitled comment from the self described "nice guy", aka a Nice Guy. You are not entitled to sex with supermodels just because you aren't a rapist. Just because you live up to the minimum standard of decency. Ever consider pursuing the many, many "nice girls" out there who'd like a date? Oh, they may not be "tens" but just like you they'd like some companionship (and maybe even sex!) with men.

And for the asshole who said "6 doesn't count because he paid" --
Prostitutes can't be raped, huh? Johns can violate & hurt women as long as they throw some money at her afterwards? If a woman doesn't want you to perform a certain act on her, you DO NOT DO IT. If you do, it's rape. Doesn't matter if she consented to A. If she's not into B and you do it anyway you've raped her.
Do you think consenting to one sex act means you've consented to sex with that person indefinitely?

Put yourselves in another person's shoes for once. If you were the ones viewed as PREY your tunes would change real quick.

Oh, and that brings me to my final point...
Stop excusing horrible behavior by claiming that men can't control themselves and can't be held responsible for rape or sexual assault. If that's the case, perhaps we should remove MEN from society, since you're all so dangerous (your own claim!).
It's you sick anti-feminists who have a negative view of men. Maybe you should all be locked up if you're such a public menace.

SarahMC said...

Another thing:

Even if a woman DOES hang around with some shady people, that fact does not diminish her rape. Many girls are raped when they're still children, women in the comments thread included. But go ahead and blame them for being preyed upon by evil scumbags.

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jennabelle said...

i'd like to second sarah mc. i can get as drunk as i want and that does not make it okay for a man to take advantage of my incoherent state. in fact, it makes it even more not okay, since legally i'm incapable of giving consent.

also, to the anonymous poster who noted that men have a primal instinct to fuck women and likened it to entering the cage of a hungry tiger -- to me, that sounds akin to saying "Well, she knew he owned a gun, she shouldn't have been around him if she didn't want to get shot." All men have penises; not all men resort to forcing themselves on women when they feel "faced with enough temptation and/or he is deprived of sex for long enough." Because some men, thank god, are raised to respect women AND to control their primal urges and to fucking masturbate to porn like the rest of us during a dry spell.

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SarahMC said...

Wow. "Anonymous," how many times do we have to say it?

A woman does not need to be a prostitute, do drugs or get wasted to be victimized by a rapist.
The woman shares NONE of the blame because she. did. not. hurt. anyone.

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Anonymous said...

men are horny beasts, being one, perhaps I can shed a bit of light. I've wanted a girl so much, that it hurt, but never crossed the line into forcing one. You can't make someone like you. These men who rape are not men at all, but beasts, and should be treated as such. All little girls should be given a blade, dipped in some nail polish remover, to give an extra sting, and if a man wants to put something into you, against your will, return the favor. I've had the chance to be the beast, girls tend to drink too much at parties, and often leave themselves vulnerable, but I see no joy, in taking what isn't mine to take. If not freely given, then I want it no more, that's not really true, the wanting stays, but perhaps I'm too used to rejection, I'd rather starve, than go that route. All I'm saying is, next guy that tries without permission, give him a scar to remember. It's different for a man, if I were raped, I'd cut him into pieces, and bury him in four states. We live, we learn. You were victimized, so don't blame yourself, but at the end of the day, live and learn. Take the eye, of the next man who tries, and perhaps he won't try again. My girlfriend went thru the same, when she was young, and strangely enough, I was out at a bar, one time with her, she left our table, to go get the next round of drinks, when a guy walked up and said hi to her, when she came back to the table, I saw the color had drained from her face, and she wanted to leave. I knew something upset her, but she didn't tell me till we got home. I flipped out. I wasn't really mad at her, except for the fact that she almost blamed herself. My opinion was, you should have told me there, and I would have gladly spent a year or two in jail, just to break a beer mug and rake it across his face, but I didn't get a good look at the fucker, these little shits shouldn't get rewarded with success, but bear a scar worth remembering. Might make em think twice the next time, cause as long as they've met with success, they'll keep doing the same. May the sun smile warmly down upon you.

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine how hard it must have been to have recounted all these horrible experiences at once. I'm a male and have been on both sides of the issue. Once at a bar, a girl from one of my classes started chatting me up and I drunkenly grabbed her breasts. She was drunk as well, smiled at me at the time but I left soon after and when I saw her at class the next week we both had an ashamed look on our faces. That one still haunts me. The other time I was backpacking through Asia and went out to a club in Kuala Lampur by myself. These local guys befriended me, invited me back to their house, drugged and molested me. I woke up in one of the guys' beds, naked, and he was smiling at me as if I'd been in on the whole thing. I got a drive back to my guesthouse, fell asleep, and don't remember the rest of the day (amnesia from the drugs). I'm convinced if these incidents happened to me, sexual abuse must be much more widespread than we acknowledge.

Anonymous said...

I hope all young women who read your blog can see this for what it is.

There is nothing glamorous about this lifestyle. You women are worth far too much to stoop so low. These men are terrible, evil people, but the only defense to such depravity is a healthy self-esteem and well-defined personal boundaries.

Thanks for having the courage to share this. You are a very strong person.

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Anonymous said...

You can offer as much advice you want about how to avoid getting bit by a "tiger", but the bottomline is that the "tiger" needs to be put in a CAGE.

I am all for avoiding risky situations, but it saddens me that you think it is okay to accept that all men are animals.

It is not- by the way- your opposite view that is outing you as a troll. It is your insensitivity. If you read through these comments you will find those who presented 'gray areas' and defense of rapists in a manner far more respectful than yours.

That was my mini-lecture...I promise not to engage you any further here.

Thank you CCC for this post, and all others. Thank you to those who shared their stories.

Anonymous said...

i don't understand why people are using the excuse that women cannot expect men to pick up on their 'nonverbal' communication as justification. what is nonverbal about saying no?

Anonymous said...

If you're not prepared for the possibility of having sex with a man, don't get much more familiar than kissing.

I have to take you to task on this. Not "much more" familiar than kissing? How much is that much more exactly? I lived in a country where women were covered from head to toe in black, and weren't allowed to be in mixed company at all. Maybe that much more is enough? Do you think women didn't get raped in that country? The problem with the whole mentality is how much it stretches. Depending on the society, a woman can be 'asking for it' for showing her ankle!!

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Anonymous said...

I have been reading your blog for a year or so now... this post gave me the chills. the third man I ever slept with pressured me into my first one-night stand... and it's hard to face the fact that this happened and it's not my fault. thanks for sharing this on your blog.

Anonymous said...

Have you ever read "I Never Called it Rape by Robin Warshaw? It helped me so much.

He was my second boyfriend. He said he loved me, to trust him...that he knew I didn't want to do anything that night & he wouldn't. He lied.

I never pressed charges because we had a prior sexual relationship. A few months ago I met another one of his other exes. She was 14 when he raped her.

Anonymous said...

I tried to get my girlfriend to have sex with me before we broke up a couple of years ago. I never realized how it could hurt her until afterwards. We never did have sex, but I still feel bad about trying to get her to. Most of us guys are really stupid when it comes to how to treat women, and with age comes experience. Some guys never get caught and never learn how to treat women right. Your story has really cemented in my mind that we have to treat women better.
Most of these guys who did these things are despicable, and while I did some stupid things when I was younger, I don't really think I would have taken things that far. You should spread the word to girls who are in situations where this shit could happen to them. I went to school with a lot of girls who probably have the same sort of stories that you do. Some of those aren't really rape either, but sexual abuse or assault probably. Either way, slap them next time, give them a kick to the balls. You have rights, no cop is going to arrest you for hitting a taxi driver that tries to touch your tits.

Sophist said...

Claiming that "rape just happens" in one way or another seems to be a popular theme.

It is not this way, it doesn't just happen, it doesn't have to happen, and it is not the fault of the victims that it happens. Saying otherwise is not helpful, and in fact if you think so then I suggest that more time should be spent reflecting in silence than announcing such "educated" opinions.

Every human being who claims at all to have free will is responsible for what they do with that free will.

However, some are of weaker will than others, and sometimes those of weaker will feel like letting themselves lose control. To "give in", as it is sometimes called. But it is _always_ their choice, and they are _always_ responsible for it.

Sometimes someone will act in a way which defies another's control over himself. To name something, there are sometimes women who think that it is awfully clever to try to seduce priests. Sometimes they even succeed.

The fault is STILL the priest's, and so it is also with all those drunk frat-boys who think otherwise.

Your actions are your responsibility. The price for free will is accountability for your actions.


And Mike: This is not the venue to debate this more, I think, and I won't unless CCG for some reason suggests that it it.

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SarahMC said...

Do the folks who've showed up to lecture and shame rape victims think it's OK to call men "stupid," "beasts" and "animals" and compare them to wild tigers?
Why are men incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions? If they are not, why in the world should they be allowed to live freely in society? Why are they ruling the world if they are so stupid, cruel and out of control? Think about it. If a woman said such things about men she'd be labeled a "man-hater."

Anonymous at 2:43, if you disapprove of the discussion that's taking place here, you are free to leave. Nobody's forcing you to read. People are absolutely allowed to share their stories and console and educate one another on the Internet. All you're doing is attempting to silence women's voices (and some men, too).

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Anonymous said...

SarahMC:

Thanks for saying what I wanted to say but much more eloquently.

If it really is the (drunk, high, kissing) woman's fault, how come more drunk, high, kissing dudes don't get raped? Could it possibly be because perhaps it is the rapist who's at fault? That being drunk/high/kissing doesn't automatically give someone complete ownership of your body? That RAPING someone is an act (i.e. something active, something you do with purpose)?

And CCG, thank you so much for this post. You have helped so many survivors (including me) find their voice. My number is one.

Anonymous said...

Also, to all those who are lecturing women on how to avoid being raped:

I work with rape survivors who go to the emergency room (a tiny percentage). MORE THAN HALF speak about what they do to protect themselves-- carrying mace, making sure their drink is in their hands at all times, calling friends before and after getting into a car with a male friend. And they all get raped anyway. We are worn ragged trying to protect ourselves... perhaps you should turn your advice to telling people what they should to do avoid RAPING, eh?

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Eden said...

I was raped by my ex, and I'm still angry almost two years later. I admire your courage at putting this out there.

As for the people who said you deserve it, fuck them, they don't deserve to lick the mud from your boots.

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SarahMC said...

Here's the thing, Anonymous...

Who defines "situations wherein one is likely to be raped?"

In some cultures, it's exposing your shoulders or ankles.

To you it seems to be getting plastered and associating with, um, rapists (and as we all know, rapists wear signs around their necks identifying them as such!).

To some, it's flirting with men.

Women can't win because rape apologists can easily move the goalposts on us.

Women are punished for trying to live our fucking lives.
Existing in public as women is enough to get us harassed. I suppose some would have us locked up in our houses eternally to "protect us" (from men, of course). Though plenty of women are at risk of being raped by being married (& often financially dependent upon) to their rapists.

Not that you care. This discussion assumes that you understand a thing or two about rape (beyond "men are beasts so get used to it).

Mike said...

Anonymous,

CCG simply said the damage she took from being raped was compounded by her not understanding what she had went through qualified as rape -- and you are so threatened by this innocuous truth you have to attribute a claim of innocence she never made, and you have to nurture her injuries by insisting she continue to deny the rape she went through.

In comparison, the damage you are receiving from a recipient of rape simply giving an account of her experience is compounded by the fact you don't understand you have no spine.

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Mike said...

Yes, I am convinced that men are beasts because I see it time and time again.... If you understand this, then you can better protect yourself.

No one is denying you can avoid getting raped by refusing to interact with men. You seem to be under the impression making obvious that which everyone already knows is going to make some kind of difference.

Anonymous said...

This is possibly the most heartbreaking and deeply effecting journal entry that I've ever read. As a guy, I think it's really important when girls who have been raped or sexually abused talk about the things that have happened to them, and how it's effected them, because I think a lot of times guys don't stop and think about the consequences of their actions. I think I used to be like that, because this one time when I was in college I was with this girl, my best female friend, and she had been lying there mostly undressed and I had been giving her a massage. Anyway, eventually she fell asleep, as she often did, and while she was asleep I started fingering her a little. She woke up, but she didn't say anything at the time. The next day she told me she was really upset and that she had cried, and I just couldn't understand why I had done that. For a while after that she stopped talking to me, but eventually we became friends again, and she's still one of my best friends. But I regret doing that more than anything else I've ever done in my life, and I still don't really know why I did it.

Anyway, just for the record, none of the stuff that happened to you was your fault. It may be true that you, or other girls, sometime put yourselves in situations where the possibility of rape is more likely, but that still doesn't mean it's your fault. No matter what the circumstances, and no matter what mistakes the girl may have made, a rape is never anyone's fault but the person who's committing it.

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Jill said...

Bravo for being honest with your readers. In this society, we talk about everything except rape and molestation. Many victims keep silent because they feel guilty because even though they said no, their bodies responded a certain way. THAT DOESN'T MATTER--it's still rape. Even if you have an orgasm, like you said, it's still rape. Thank you, CCG. Your readers will follow your example and they won't hide anymore. They will press charges.

gillian said...

Thank you for writing about this. When it happened to me, my own doctor (a female) told me it was my fault for leading the guy on (by being his friend) so I never pressed charges and just hated myself instead. 5 years later, it's still hard for me to not blame myself, despite the logic. The damage is worse than the act.

I don't know what has to happen for society to change and realize that it's wrong, no matter what the circumstances.

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Kristen Dore said...

I have recently stumbled accross your blog and I am pleased to announce that I am officially addicted. You are a brilliant writer and I applaud you for putting your life out there. Just wanted to let you know...I hope to tune in more often to your wild tales and introspective blogging. Thanks for exposing human nature for what it really is...

cautiouslyoptimistic said...

Wow. I think you are amazing for sharing all this with the world. I was sexually abused when I was 13 and 14 but I do not have your courage and I admire you greatly.

Thank you

Sinudeity said...

I am so sorry to hear about your experiences. I very dearly want to say something to you, but my subconscious doesn't want me to. I hope your find your peace.

Mike said...

you're a prostitute that allowed herself to be victimized repetitively by going to one night stands as a child.

what did you expect to happen?


Your question has demonstrated you literally do not understand children cannot consent to sex.

Since I'm only left to imagine most men aren't rapists, I can only assume men who consider children fair sexual-game as you do still somehow have the sense to avoid being alone with them. Do everyone a favor, and be one of those sensible men.

La Bella Donna said...

I read your essay and linked to it in my own blog with my own little essay. I hope what i wrote coincides with what you feel.

Anonymous said...

my friend was raped at a festival once. it took her months to decide whether to press charges or not, but in the end she didn't. she was drunk, they had been fooling around earlier on, and in the end it was her word against his. her biggest concern was that people would believe she had led him on.

to this day it makes me angry that the guy got away with it, and that one day some other girl might "lead him on."

Anonymous said...

many years passed before my best friend said to me: "You were raped." it was only then that i could admit what it was.

Bethany said...

Okay, obviously there are some concepts that need clarification, judging from the assholish comments on here. I'll focus on the phenomenon of males raping females, since the overwhelming majority of these stories revolve around that setup. Apologies in advance for the lengthy comment, I don't have a blog or I'd just post it there and link it.

You say men are horny bastards, animals driven to knock a woman over the head with a bone and drag her back to your cave by her hair, like tigers who have not been fed? I say, bullshit. You are not "animals," and comparing the male sex at large to ferocious, terrible beasts is a complete cop-out. You are men, equipped with a conscience and free will, not mindless brutes who merely do what nature gave them instincts to do (e.g. "kill and eat when hungry"). We live in a civilized modern society, and part of being "civilized" requires that you restrain any animalistic urges you might have. If all men still suffered from an inability to control their caveman compulsions, then there would be no such thing as a business suit or indoor plumbing.

You say being under the influence of drugs or alcohol around strange men is asking for it somehow? I call bullshit again! To be fair, we all have a responsibility to look out for our own safety. There are things a woman can do to reduce the likelihood of being assaulted, sexually or otherwise. However, a woman's failure to adequately protect herself does not abdicate you of the responsibility to behave like a fucking civilized human being. As men, you are naturally bigger and stronger than us. That means you take on a larger portion of the responsibility when it comes to preventing assaults on the (physically) weaker sex. More power, more responsibility. You may not like it, but you owe it to the other half of the human race to man up and resist the temptation to simply take what you want, regardless of a woman's degree of inebriation.

You say a woman should necessarily have to say "no" or "stop" before an assault can be called an assault? Once again, bullshit. If she's not coherent enough to clearly say "yes I want to have sex with you," don't. All men know this. You cannot get around acknowledging that it is flat-out wrong to take advantage of a woman who cannot tell you to stop because she's incapacitated. And if she's fully aware of what's going on and freezes up? There's this thing called "body language." If she's not into it, you will know. Again, you're bigger and stronger than most of us. A woman who fears for her health or her life will do whatever she can to minimize the risk, including lying still and silent so her rapist won't hit her to make her shut up. You cannot penalize a woman for self-preservation in the face of danger.

Don't even get me started on raping girls under 18. Anyone who thinks even for a split second that it's mitigated by extenuating circumstances of any kind is just begging to have his dick cut off.

Do you have a wife, daughter, sister, or mother? Imagine she's been raped. Until you've been repeatedly penetrated against your will, you cannot even begin to fathom the trauma, the anguish, the deeply personal shame a woman feels after going through that kind of assault. Now imagine that after your wife/daughter/sister/mother has been viciously robbed of her sense of security and virtue, some asshat comes along and tells her, "Oh well, your rapist was only acting on his natural instincts, you must have done something to provoke him, you should have screamed, you put yourself in that situation." No. Huh-uh. You know that wouldn't fly, and if you were standing right there, you would beat him unconscious.

So. To all who have argued that anything at all shifts the culpability even one iota onto the victim, I say, with all due respect, fuck you. That is to say, anyone who puts the blame for a rape anywhere but squarely on the shoulders of the rapist deserves no respect at all.

bethany said...

P.S. To all the real men who suffer from being unfairly associated with this scum, I'm sorry, you don't deserve to be demonized just because you have a penis. Thank you for standing up for decency and continuing to prove that there is hope.

EternalVirgin said...

My number is 4.
Only three were successful though. I broke the arm of the guy that tried when I was 13.
One of the 4 molested me from the age of 2 until I was 6. My earliest memory is being forced. I'm jealous of girls who get to treasure their first memory.

MsPuddin said...

"Rapists are not just evil men who jump out of the bushes. Rape can happen even if you were drunk, even if you stayed still instead of kicking and biting, even if you had an orgasm, even if you liked the guy, even if you had consented to sex with him previously. "

so true. people think rapists are strangers, but more likely they are people we know. Its happened to me, its happened to you and im sure it has happened to her...

Anonymous said...

Wow. I feel like saying "sorry" somehow cheapens it, since I don't know you and have never met you. But this does bring "sorrow". I hope that one day you can make peace with all this, and that it doesn't happen again.

eurotrash said...

My number is 3.

Thank you for allowing me to face facts.

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